Faith is a free and personal response to God
To highlight what trust in God really is, Emily shares a childhood experience that went into the scripts, and Edmund gives insight into a fatherhood moment with his kids.
To highlight what trust in God really is, Emily shares a childhood experience that went into the scripts, and Edmund gives insight into a fatherhood moment with his kids.
[00:53] Welcome and Unit Overview! Edmund and Emily welcome you to the fourth Real + True podcast. In this installment, they discuss Unit Four which covers Catechisms paragraphs 142-184.
[01:49] Proclamation Video: The topic for this video is: “The power of call and response in music.” Edmund shares about his friend Matt, and how Matt uses “call and response” in worship. They discuss how this dynamic is used in liturgy and in the Mass. Emily shares about her experience with “call and response” in sports situations.
[09:40] Stand Out Paragraphs: Edmund shares about the section that stood out to him, CCC 170, “We do not believe in formulas, but in those realities they express which faith allows us to touch. The believers act of faith does not terminate in the propositions, but in the realities, which they express.” Emily shares her stand out section, CCC 154, “Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the holy spirit, but it is no less true that believing is an authentically human act.” What’s your stand out section? Share on social media!
[14:11] Explanation Video + Spiderman The thesis of this video is, “Faith is a free and personal response to God made possible by grace.” Edmund uses the example of Spiderman falling to illustrate this point. Emily recounts the story of the diving board referenced in the video.
[20:05] News: New Animation Team + Post- Pilot Stage We’re excited to announce that we’ve officially moved out of the pilot stage of this project. We’d like to thank Our Sunday Visitor and everyone who has supported the project.. With this new stage, we’ve hired a new animation team. And we’re very excited about it.
[20:54] Connection Video The thesis of this video is, “Do you trust me?” Edmund and Emily discuss how our inclinations toward or against trusting others can affect how we relate to God.
[22:57] Edmund Fathering His Son: Edmund tells a story from his own life as a father that illustrates the point that trust is built on a relationship with a person, not just the words spoken by the person.
[24:43] Final Thoughts, an Announcement, and Closing: Emily and Edmund share that being in relationship with God is not like being a robot. Relationship with God requires our intellect and will. We trust Him because He has revealed Himself to be trustworthy. Thank you for being part of Real + True! Let’s reach another million viewers!
Edmund: Hi, everyone. And welcome back to Real + True, the Real + True podcast. I’m your, one of your co-hosts Edmund Mitchell.
Emily: And I’m the other co-host Emily Mentock.
Edmund: And we’re really excited to discuss unit four, unit four of Real + True. So this podcast is for us to discuss the unit of videos in more detail, dive deeper into the content and share some of the behind the scenes and mission of Real + True.
Emily: Yeah. And if this is the first podcast you’re listening to and you, or you haven’t checked us out yet, you can go over to realtrue.org to see our videos, our sort of mission. And first three podcasts that we’ve released before this.
Edmund: Yeah. Also, could I give a shout out to the “Start Here” Post? I think if you scroll down to the bottom, there’s a “Start Here” post.
Emily:Yeah. On the website and that kind of explains the content strategy behind the videos behind the project to point people to the Catechism.
Edmund: Yeah. And it shows the structure we’re walking through sections of the Catechism and we’re today on Unit Four or this unit covers Unit Four, which is Catechisms paragraph 142 to 184.
Emily: Yep. So pick up your Catechism, refresh your memory of those paragraphs. And for this Unit we chose the thesis, “Faith is a free and personal response to God made possible by grace. “
Edmund: Yes. Oh. Were you gonna say more about that?
Emily: You tell us about that.
Edmund: Well, I was just gonna remind people, you know, the thesis statement is one that we come up with to try to unify all the videos and content we make. We try to like, “what’s one sentence that can kind of, we can hang everything on?”
Emily: Based on all the paragraphs in the Catechism, what’s the point they’re sort of building toward in this section. And then we have three videos based off of that. So the first one is the proclamation and this unit’s proclamation video is, “The power of call and response in music.” And then we have the explanation video, which is, “what does it mean to have faith?” And then finally the connection video, which is about increasing in faith and trust. So if you haven’t watched these videos yet you can check them out at our website, realtrue.org, or find us on YouTube and watch them there.
Edmund: Yeah. So maybe we should dive straight into the proclamation video.
Emily: Which features an interview with your friend, Matt.
Edmund: Yeah. My friend Matt, which is, he’s an amazing musician, an amazing man. And when I first became a youth minister in Toledo, Ohio, I had a retreat and he was the very first musician or paid person I’d ever hired to come on a retreat. And he came on this retreat, I think we had like 30 kids and he just brought his guitar and a little amp and he was awesome. And I actually do remember in the video we talk about that Ausie chant. So he had this song and he, he talked about in the interview. I don’t know if it made it into the video, but he talked about that chant. And there’s video on Facebook of us doing this chant in the middle of like some praise and worship song. He like had a way to work it in. It was the, “Oi! Oi! Oi!” It was like one of the things we all talked about and did you know, for the rest of the year from that retreat,
Emily: I’m sure the kids loved that. Yeah. And it’s interesting because in praise and worship, there is a lot of call and response, as a way to sort of like invite people into participation, into relationship with the Lord. Because it’s like a prayer right during the music of praise and worship.
Edmund: Yeah. And it’s part of liturgy, you know, it’s part of the Mass and all of these things inform or should direct us towards the truth of our relationship with God. And when we’re in liturgy, we’re having prayer with God. But also there’s this call response between the priest and the people in the pews and it’s to remind us and to actually be this representation of us, like God’s speaking to us and we speak back to him or God reveals himself and we respond. God, doesn’t just reveal himself and we go, “oh, that’s great. Hi.” Like there it is. Yeah. He’s does it so we would respond to him.
Emily: And I think one of the most powerful parts is how we respond as a community, like that then even takes it to the next level. It’s like, you can respond to God in your own prayer time, but when you’re in Mass and the priest says something like, “We give thanks to God” and then everyone responds, “It is right and just.” And the fact that we’re doing that as a community, there’s something so powerful there.
Edmund: Yeah. Yeah. And it should always remind us that God is not just an isolated, he’s not just a man in the sky. But at his core, the Trinity means that God is relationship. And so we’re called into relationship. We’re called into the same relationship God, the Father has with the Son in the Holy Spirit.
Emily: And we really wanted to break that open for people who maybe haven’t experienced, you know, call and response in Mass or in praise and worship like that before. How do we tie that into it? So I I’m a big sports fan and I love going to concerts, music festivals, pre-pandemic, of course. One of the things that I’ve talked with from friends who also like to go to concerts and stuff is, it can almost be like a spiritual experience. When you’re there. And like you’re singing along with your band’s favorite song or your favorite song. And then, you know, sometimes they’ll even like, they’ll cut the music. And then all of a sudden, the crowd’s like seeing acapella or like, I went to Notre Dame and we would go to Notre Dame football games and like, but every single game between the third and fourth quarter, we do like this cheer that like honors the coach. And there’s just something about doing that in this big space that brings you together. It just feels something the, the term that we sometimes use to talk about like God or faith, like something bigger than yourself, like something more I’ve experienced that in those totally secular settings too. So we thought, okay, maybe there’s something universal there that we can tap into to help people understand the power of call and response and call and response as a community that plays out in our faith.
Edmund: Yeah. There’s something, I mean, you were mentioning the pandemic and you know, you saw all these stadiums and arenas with no people in them. And there is something special. I mean, it’s great to watch it on TV. Sometimes you can get better camera angles and stuff or you can see better, but there is something about being present, even if it’s a huge crowd of people of that that dynamic back and forth, the call and response.
Emily: And I love the way that when you put it in that group setting and people doing it together, it adds this meaning that otherwise wouldn’t exist. So right now I live in the, in the state of Michigan. And so there’s two, two main football team there. There’s Michigan State and Michigan, U OF M. And if you walk through like a grocery store in Michigan or something, and you yelled out the words, “Go Green!” which is like the start of a cheer, then all the Michigan state fans are gonna respond, “Go White!” And all the Michigan fans who wanna like, kinda stop your cheer will yell back, “Go Blue!” instead, which is like their color. And it’s so funny, this is just like random words. But then all of a sudden they have, you know, this meaning through them because people as a community have, have add the meaning to those words in response to that relationship of us as fans. And not that all of Mass is meant to be like a sports stadium or a football game. But I do think that there’s something there that the power that’s there because it’s like universal, it’s good. It comes from God, it does relate to our experience of responding to God as a community in praise and worship or in Mass. Or just as a Church.
Edmund: Yeah. And a little bit of a sneak peek of future passages of the Catechism you’re hitting on the fact that faith is not just an isolated act. Like when we respond in faith, we’re responding with the Church. It’s a communal act. Even if we’re alone on our knees in our room and we’re like, “Jesus, I have faith in you.” It’s a church act. It’s a community act, just in the same way that sin is not an isolated event. When we sin, we’re impacting the Church when we have faith, it’s the Church having faith and responding to God. So.
Emily: Right. And it’s not responding to like the ritual or the practice of faith because this call and response, we touched on this briefly in the video, it’s not about responding to a thing or an object it’s about responding to a person. So talk a little bit about, you know, the difference between that response to objects versus human person.
Edmund: Yeah. I remember, I think it was in one of my philosophy classes, you know, philosophers have this great way of just bringing up examples of everyday life to prove a point. And they talked about how, you know, when you look at objects and or when you look at animals or objects and stuff, there’s no sense of embarrassment. But if you have a friend maybe over for Thanksgiving, and he kind of falls asleep and his eyes are kind of closed and you’re not really sure if he’s asleep, and you’re looking at him, you might get a little bit of embarrassment if he like suddenly opens his eyes and you’ve just been staring at him. Like, there’s something about the fact that it’s a person like looking back at you. Yeah. There’s something about like, it’s a person, there’s some level of privacy and respect that we have to have towards people. And so objects we use, but people we have, we don’t, well, we can use people, but there’s a deeper thing they’re called for, which is we’re called for, which is a relationship. And so a dysfunctional relationship is one that’s just of use, like, I need someone to play basketball with and you’re here and I play basketball. But these deeper relationships with our family members or our loved ones are relationships in the true sense of, “to have a relationship between two people.” So in the same way that God is not just a dispenser of good graces, he’s a person, you know, in Jesus Christ. And so we have this relationship and throughout scripture it often gives the analogy or the, the metaphor of the bride and the groom, like one of the ultimate relationships here on earth that we could experience. It’s this bride and groom relationship.
Emily: Right. Oh, that’s beautiful. All right. So let’s move into our sort of engage with the audience part two.
Edmund: Yeah. So this is the standout Catechism paragraph. So every time when we have the unit, we encourage you to pray through the section of the Catechism and then find like one paragraph that stands out to you and just make that your paragraph for a while. You know, just like pray through it, think through it, kind of bring it throughout your day or your week and comment on this video. Or just comment somewhere .
Emily: Wherever you’re, wherever you’re watching or listening.
Edmund: Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, let us know the paragraph that stood out to you or had an impact on you. Um, and so the one I picked is my favorite from this section, paragraph 170 and says this, “we do not believe in formulas, but in those realities they express which faith allows us to touch. The believers act of faith does not terminate in the propositions, but in the realities, which they express. ” And I love this. You were talking about this earlier. Like it’s not just the words that we’re responding to, you know, faith isn’t just, or Christianity, isn’t just a philosophical idea or just a list of beliefs that we intellectually ascent to. There’s something behind them. There’s this person, there’s a reality of God that we can touch and experience the mystery of God through faith. So I love this paragraph because it’s reminding us even the Catechism, we’re not just believing in the words, in the Catechism, there’s something behind it. There’s something mysterious. That really is true. It’s real and true. True. It’s real and true. And it’s there, right? Um, that God’s real. So that’s my, this has always been a paragraph that stands out to me in this section of the Catechism.
Emily: I love that too, because I think it really speaks to like, yeah, you can’t have that true call and response relationship, if it’s not a person. So when we are responding in faith, it’s not to the words that are written in this book, but it’s to the person of God who has given us this deposit of faith or to the reality of faith in our world and the way the world is created and God’s plan of loving goodness. It’s in response to that reality.
Edmund: Yeah. What about you? What’s your Catechism paragraph?
Emily: My favorite one is 154. I’m just, it’s actually a long one. I’m just gonna read the first two lines. So it says, “Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the holy spirit, but it is no less true that believing is an authentically human act.” And I really loved that because I felt like, there it was in the Catechism, like that expressed, written down expressed reality of what my experience of faith was. So I was a person who like, I had stopped practicing my faith, like in college and after college. And even though I was raised Catholic, I was catechized in a way, I went to Catholic school. All the things, went to Mass with my family, but I didn’t have that, like, I guess, either part, either of those parts yet, the Holy Spirit or the authentically human act of like responding in faith to God. And then when I did, when I finally did have that encounter with Jesus and I found my faith, then it, it was so strange because I, even though it was like, my choices were changing, like the way I was living my life was changing, choosing to go to Mass, choosing to pray, that was changing. But I always felt like a gift. Like I say now, like, oh, the greatest gift of my life is that God gave me the gift of my faith, which I knew a life without it, especially. And I think a lot of people do, and to varying degrees, but that one just really stood out to me because I was just like, man, like that sums it up. Like it was only with like a gift with the help of the Holy Spirit that I was able to find that faith, but I still had to make those choices every single day.
Edmund: Yeah. That’s awesome. Yeah, I think that the dynamic between “faith is a gift” or “faith is something we kind of choose,” I think we can see people going to one of either extremes. Either they throw up their hands and go, “well, I’m just not the type person that believes then.” Or they say, “well, there’s nothing God has done about it.” Like either God hasn’t given that to me or there’s nothing I can do. Right. And I think that’s a really cool, um, paragraph to remind us that it’s both.
Emily: Right. And I think if you’re a person who’s like struggling with faith, God’s never gonna not give you what you need to be in relationship with him. So like, if you are a person who’s desiring to have faith and feeling like you’re not have it, then asking God to give you the grace of finding it again. And like he’ll come through and then, or if you’re a person who maybe there’s people in your life who haven’t found their faith yet, asking God to send the Holy Spirit to give them that gift as well, which we’ve seen with a lot of the saints. So,
Edmund: So let us know your favorite Catechism paragraph from that section. And now do we wanna talk about the explanation video?
Emily: Let’s do it!
Edmund: This one starts with spicy food.
Emily: Starts with, well, it’s a fake fact, uh, that animals don’t taste spicy food. Was that it?
Emily: Humans are the only ones who experience spicy food.
Edmund: Yeah. Yeah. And I think there are animals that can experience spicy food.
Emily: We don’t know. The point was that it wasn’t true, that it was made up. It was a made up fact. But you know, there’s a, sometimes you can get caught up in those made up facts. And um, so it was really about, okay, uh, what does it mean to have faith? What does it mean to trust a person? Why do we have faith in God? Like, and it’s not just accepting, you know, like words at their face value because what, you know, sometimes what you hear in the world is that Christians, Catholics, like we’re just believing words that have been handed down. And that there’s no, we’re not questioning the truth behind them or, uh, really like, “is God real?” “I don’t know. Where’s the proof?” People are questioning that all the time. And so we really wanted to dive into that like, okay, that’s not what true faith is. It’s not just believing what people tell you.
Edmund: Yeah. And we also dived into the fact, so I mean, our thesis was, “faith is a free and personal response to God made possible by grace.” But we also wanted to dive into the meat of this section of the Catechism that talks about, “Faith is a faith in a who and in a what.” Yeah. So it’s, we believe in God, we believe in the “who of God,” but then we also believe in the “what of what he’s revealed.” Like, so the truth of what God has revealed about himself.
Emily: And when God is revealing himself to us, that doesn’t mean that we just take it at face value either. We have to respond with that choice. There has to be that response part. And there was this great scene in the video that, um, we kind of worked on and we were trying to figure out, you know, what is the right way to sort of, uh, both explain and visualize this for the script of the video.
Edmund: Which is a big challenge in the videos, is taking these and then we all, but you especially work really hard with the animation team. Like how are we visualize this abstract concept?
Emily: Yeah. And then building into the script. And so we chose this scene of like a diving board. It’s like one of those classic movie scenes, you get to the top of like a high diving board. And then the character gets all nervous. They’re scared to like jump off. Um, and we kind of chose that as a scene for this. And there were a couple things about that analogy that worked well. And it’s not the whole video, it’s not a perfect analogy. But one is that, something that usually happens in those diving board scenes is like, you’re seeing other people jump and it’s kind of helps put your mind at ease. It kind of makes you realize like, okay, maybe this is okay, I’m seeing my friends do it. They’re cheering me on from down below. And I think that the Christian life is really like that. We felt that was an important part to share because you’re not jumping , you if you ever decide to jump, it’s not just because you’re seeing other people, if you’re just doing it for your friends, then it’s not really, you know, your free choice, but there is something really reassuring that helps us have that trust and grow in faith, seeing others around us do the same thing and them cheering us on and telling us like, it’s okay to take that leap of faith.
Edmund: Yeah, man, leap of faith. I have to mentioned one of my favorite scenes, um, of any of the Spiderman franchise movies is, have you seen Into the Spider-Verse?
Emily: No, I haven’t.
Edmund: Okay. So long story short is Miles Morales has been bitten by a spider and there’s lots of other Spiderman and spider persons from other universities,
Emily: The other Peter parkers.
Edmund: Yeah. Yeah. The other Peter parkers. And so they have in the Spiderman story, Peter Parker has some moment where there’s a leap of faith where he has to just kind of like trust that he has these abilities and leap out and then his abilities kind of take off and then he becomes Spiderman. So in this movie Miles Morales is just being constantly encouraged. Like you’ll know when you’re ready. Right. And so he climbs up to the top of this skyscraper and he leaps off. And one thing that most people might not notice is that the glass breaks representing that. Like he’s still scared. His hands are still like stuck to the glass and he has to like rip himself off of it and just leap. And then there’s this beautiful shot where he’s falling, but the movie flips it. So it looks like he’s like ascending.
Emily: Whoa, it’s so cool.
Edmund: Like I want a huge poster of it.. Yeah. It is kind of representing that he’s like ascending to his, you know, his powers, you know?
Emily: Well, he’s been called to do. Yeah.
Edmund: Yeah. And so at some point as he’s falling, then suddenly he like goes into action and can use his powers to its full. Right. And you know, we could, we could dig here for an analogy for faith, right. Someone or something put in him the ability to use his powers. Yeah. It wasn’t just his, but it, but it required his action. Yeah. Like it required an act, but it was still there. You know, like there was a gift, we have this gift from God, but we still have to act. And at some point we just have to trust that if we make that leap, that God will provide.
Emily: Right. And no one could push him off of that too. Or getting pushed off the diving board, isn’t having that leap of faith. So that choice that you have to have that moment of trust and choosing in response, even if God’s giving you everything you need, that you will be okay.
Edmund: And here’s the other, here’s the other part is that, I mean, in our thesis, faith is a free and personal response. Like it is uniquely yours. I
Emily: I love, love that part, that, and that the Catechism backs it up. Cause I remember saying that like, yeah, finding my faith was like, it needed to become my own that I couldn’t, that it was a struggle to just take what was handed down to me. And that the only way I would have a relationship with God was finding out what is my relationship with him. And that’s gonna look different from everyone else’s.
Edmund: Yeah. And Miles in the movie, he’s asking all the different spider people, “how will I know? How will I know?” And he’s like, “you will know, like it is your, your act of faith. Like you’ll know when you’re ready to do it because it has to be your act of faith.”
Emily: That’s great. We should have ditched the diving board for Spiderman.
Edmund: Well, I mean, there’s probably some copyright issues, we probably couldn’t use Spiderman in that. Do you wanna talk about the new animation team?
Emily: Yeah. I just wanna give a shout. We’ve got two new animators. So this is Unit Four. It’s the first unit post the pilot. So the first three units were sort of our, you know, experiment of the, what could this project look like? We mentioned in the last podcast that we didn’t know how people would respond. We just had this idea. We felt called to do it. And um, people did respond. We hit our goal for the number of views that we wanted. Um, and so we were able now to continue making videos, which is super exciting. We were grateful to everyone who has supported this project. Um, and including starting to work with a new animation team for the proclamation video, actually I’m realizing there should have been in the other section.
Edmund: Oh yeah. We should mention it for that one. Yeah. So explanation video is JP the same team. Who’s awesome.
Emily: Who’s still, he’s been with us from the beginning. We’re so grateful for him, but the new animation team is actually for the proclamation video. So this is great.
Edmund: Sweet. Uh, next is a connection video, which we talk about, “Do you trust me?”
Emily: It’s basically just four minutes of trust falls.
Edmund: But also trusting strangers. Yes. Or, like how trusting strangers are to other strangers. Yeah.
Emily: Yeah. Are you a very trusting person?
Edmund: I am to a fault. I actually have a hard time believing that people like I’ve had situations where a friend has said, I empirically know that that person is lying and I have a really hard time believing them. Cause I just have a hard time believing that people lie.
Emily: I’m like the opposite. I’m like, I know that I should trust this person. Like they are a trustworthy person. They’ve never really let me down. And yet then I still struggle with trust. We are like the opposite then.
Edmund: Yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting. Where do you think that comes from? Is it just like your family life or like, well, not you specifically, but people, I guess it comes from…
Emily: You know, it’s a, well, I think it, I mean, right. It’s like a fallen world and people let you down and I don’t know, maybe I think nature/nurture. I’m not sure. We won’t have therapy on the podcast. But yeah, I think that over time you learn, like people develop these instincts based on, you know, what did you learn to grow up with? What did you learn for survival? How did you know, navigate the world? But it’s sometimes interesting when then those trust issues can also play into trusting God, right? Even though he doesn’t let us down.
Edmund: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz you know, trust, we say trust issues, like, like there is a healthy level of not just, you know, giving everyone the keys to your car. Yeah. But there also is a healthy level of risk and danger in all relationships. Right? Like, can you ever know beyond a shadow of a doubt that your spouse will never like betray your trust, right? No. You, you can’t ever.
Emily: You’ll never know it was certainty. Yeah. And well, and that comes down to you being in a relationship with someone and trust is built or gained or lost over time. And the thing about being in relationship with God is that he doesn’t let you down. He doesn’t, God doesn’t betray our trust because he is good.
Edmund: Yeah. It reminds me of a story. My son recently, we were all getting in the car and one of my sons kept lingering in the house and I was like, just get outside, get outside. And um, we’re doing things and I’m grabbing my daughter and he says, “dad, I’m hungry.” l’m like, “okay.” And he just like kept saying again, “dad, I’m hungry.” I’m like, “okay, okay. Just get outside.” And he’s like, “can I bring this?” I’m like, “no.” And he’s like, “but I’m hungry.” “Get outside.” Right. And at one point I just looked at him and I just said, “Dominic, I need you to trust that I’m your father and that I care about you and that I have heard your request.” And we get in the car and I had a whole bunch of snacks that I had packed. Yeah. And it’s like that with God, we think “God like give me this thing, don’t you hear me? Give me this thing. Like I want this thing or I want this…”
Emily: “…now, I want, I wanna control the process for how I’m gonna get it…”
Edmund: Or “why do I feel this way? Or why, you know, why was I built this way?” And God often sees the bigger picture and says, “look, I need you to trust that I’m your father and that I’m going to take care of you.” And it’s in those little moments of placing and we can start really small throughout our day. But throughout our lives, we build this, um, trust in God and that relationship that we can build and practice over time.
Emily: Yeah. That’s such a good point that’s starting small that like, God, you can build a relationship with God. It’s not like from, from the beginning, all of a sudden, like now you know who God is and you feel like you’ve expressed yourself to him. Like it can be built up over time because we’re human. We’re finite. We have to overcome challenges of living in the world. And so the best way to do it is to just start by building that relationship and taking that initial leap of faith and God will kind of carry you from there. Yeah.
Edmund: That’s awesome, man. We’ve covered a lot.
Emily: Wow. Yeah.
Edmund: Uh, are there any final things we wanna cover before we wrap up?
Emily: Well, the last thing that I was just gonna say that another thing that kind of really stood out to me about this section, that’s sort of like an undertone of the video, is that the necessity of faith. So like what does it mean when the Catechism says the “necessity of faith”? That’s one of those ones that like reading through it again kind of threw me. But I think if you put all the videos together it really gives the answer. Which is like, okay, call and response that there’s like this, you do it as a group that like, when someone says the line and you know, the response to it that you’re compelled to respond and have that relationship expressed in that way. Yeah. Um, so like, “what’s God calling us to?” Okay, we’re compelled to respond by our nature that like how God has revealed himself, to a “who” to be in that relationship. And then that like, God is the fulfillment of trustworthiness. And when you put all that together, it makes sense then that like based on who God is and who he created us to be, there is no other response except to have faith in him. That is like the necessity of it.
Edmund: Yeah. The response God wants isn’t for us to just behave a certain way.
Edmund: He wants all of it to come from this belief in him, this trust in him, this faith in him and what he reveals and yeah, Jesus said, “unless you have faith, you won’t be saved.” And there’s so many times that his ability to perform miracles was based on people’s faith. And, um, so it it’s necessary for salvation. It’s the way that sacraments work in our lives is in cooperation with the faith that we have.
Emily: And going back to like what we’ve been building on from I think it was Unit One that like, “God made us to know him and to love him.” So if God made us to know him and to love him, and then we’ve learned through these other videos like that, how he’s revealed himself, that he has revealed him, then what it looks like to know and love him is a free and personal response to that.
Edmund: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just think like, I mean, everyone knows this implicitly, if you built a robot to be your spouse, I mean, it’d be like, okay, that’s kind of nice. Like maybe it’d and clean for you or whatever, but it’s not an actual free response.
Emily: Not free response.
Edmund: Yeah. Yeah. But a person freely responding to marry you is a much more meaningful thing. The same with God, God didn’t create us as robots to just like follow him. Right. He wants us to have a free response to him.
Emily: You have that relationship of love. Great. Well, thank you for listening the Unit Four podcast. We’re super excited. So again, this unit is the first one of our sort of post pilot-phase. Which means that we’ll be able to finish, you know, at least through the first pillar of the Catechism right now. But we are super grateful for first the support of Our Sunday Visitor OSV who has helped us get started with this project, who is funding it, but then also wanna invite you guys, so thank you to the donors who have already given of their own money to support this project online, you can find that. And then if you, if you’re inspired by this as well, and you wanna see the project continue with more units to continue bringing the Catechism to the modern world, then you can also go online to our website at realtrue.org and make a donation there.
Edmund: Anything else? That’s it, right?
Emily:Uh, let’s end with the mission. Always bring it back to mission.
Edmund: Yeah, the mission of Real + True is to transform the letter into a living voice for the modern world. So we’re creating these videos to unpack the Catechism, just release it in the digital world and the digital continent.
Edmund: Yeah. They’re free, global Spanish, English, French, and Portuguese. So thanks everyone for listening or watching and be sure to share these videos on social media. And we will see you in the next couple videos.
Emily: Thanks everyone. Bye.
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